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Hey Spacey, Have You Tried This? Onideus Mad Hatter 26-07-2007
 Re: Hey Spacey, Have You Tried This? Onideus Mad Hatter Reply Send to a Friend   Print
On 29 Jul 2007 13:17:21 GMT, Neredbojias <monstersquasher@yahoo.com>

>Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:32:22
>GMT Chaddy2222 scribed: 
>>> > Hmmm well yes, I could see Hatters point as well. But until Flash
>>> > has a way of becomeing more accessible (by users with adaptive
>>> > technology)  I probably won't be designing entire websites with it.
>>> > In a lot of cases good old HTML with some CSS for styleing works
>>> > fine and means you end up with a site with a consistent look and
>>> > feel, even if that "look" is not quite the same in all browsing
>>> > environments. The thing is though, even if the site does look the
>>> > same in all browsers (as in all visual browsers) through the use of
>>> > flash, then it still means that it won't work for those of us
>>> > useing aural browsers (so some kind of alternative still needs to
>>> > be provided. This means that you  then need to update two sites
>>> > with the same content, which is why I like the CSS method, as you
>>> > can keep all the visual style seprat from the rest of the content
>>> > makeing it easier for SE bots and screen readers and visitors to
>>> > access the content. This also means that all visual
>>> > branding is kept in tact.
>>> > --
>>> > Regards Chad.http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz
>>> Yes, you make many good points.  I think the conclusion is that Flash
>>> has to be improved, as does html/css, etc.  -And the browsers.  It's
>>> just that sometimes I get a little sick of all the things that
>>> _don't_ work under "normal" html auspices.  Yesterday I found a
>>> beauty of a bug in Firefox.  Reload a page of thumbs and the first
>>> one disappears...  Oh, I'm sure there are conditions.  I think the
>>> thumb has to be bigger than a certain size, and perhaps centering
>>> plays a part, but it's definitely a bug - for something as simple as
>>> that.  (Probably relates to the cache because it only happens
>>> online.)  Geesh, will they ever get it right? 
>> Hmmm, well images on the web are a tricky thing to get right, did you
>> miss setting a hight on one of those images by any chance? Cause that
>> is what it sounds like.
>No way, Jose.  -Or in this case: Are you mad, Chad?  The heights & widths 
>are the same for all images and included via css.  Markup and css validate, 
>and there's nothing particularly unusual about the page.  Here's one 
>example of the general template:
>(Damn, reviewing the source, I see there _is_ some superfluous stuff, but 
>believe me, those hs's have nothing to do with it.  The basic 8-pic, fixed-
>top, cleared-content div layout does it.  My only other example is adult 
>> But as to your question, no I don't think they ever will the web is
>> not like paper as they say (I mean it's just impossible to prodict
>> anything on the web. Having said that if you write valid code you will
>> have a better chance of items working the way you want and I am really
>> starting to not be as concerned with IE as a result of this
>> (especially as FireFox Opera and all of those type browsers running
>> gecho display stuff in a very similar way.
>My code is valid - even when it's not.  <grin>
>Actually, my markup _is_ valid.  I don't believe I have any pages left with 

Validation DOES NOT equate to cross browser compatibility, therefore,
it's pointless.  You're wasting your time, only attempting validation
as a means of stroking your deficient ego.

ANYONE can make a W3C compliant site...and the really ironic part is
that you don't even need compliant code to do it:

LOL, just have javascript or PHP render your code and you can make
your code as non compliant as you want!  ^_^


Onideus Mad Hatter
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